Craps Strategy Laying Odds
To sum it up, it pays out exactly same way as the pass odds bet for each number. The catch is a player must pay a 5% commission to the house, which is known as 'vig' or 'juice'. This small fee increased the house edge from 0% to 4.76%. The lay bet works almost the same way, except it is the opposite. Advanced Craps Topics. Analysis and advice for experienced players who have mastered basic strategy, and are looking to add an extra edge to their game. Calculation of the player's edge for all the major bets in craps. House edge for all the major craps bets. Dice Setting Expectations for the Dice Setter.
Now when playing the passline I'm sometimes afraid to put down a big odds bet on the 4 & 10 unless I'm way up. If I'm down a lot it's very difficult for me to justify putting a bet down that I have a 33.3% chance of winning, even though it's going to pay me double if it hits and over 1,000,000 rolls I will break even. If I'm down to my last $100 and the point is 4 or 10 and I'm on the passline I usually don't put anything down or like $5
How much do odds do you like to bet on 4 or 10's passline or don't pass players compared to what you would put down on a 5, 6, 8, or 9?
On the don't pass, typically will lay max odds on 4/5/9/10 and typically won't lay any odds against 6/8. Sometimes I'll even over lay the 4/10.
Then again, I don't play craps much since there's no edge. Have yet to play craps with an edge, but the day I do, I'll play as long as the edge presents itself.
You know damn well the Wizard would be clucking at you for cutting back on the odds based on the past luck you had on the number.
Lay max odds and pay no attention to you past luck with any points. To keep it sane, just don't keep betting the DC, have a stopping point so you don't have too much in action.
You know damn well the Wizard would be clucking at you for cutting back on the odds based on the past luck you had on the number.
Very good response.
I feel happier about some things, such as a DC bet that travels to the Four or Ten, but I neither increase nor decrease the money on it than if it had traveled to the SIX or the Eight.
Its RANDOM.
How much do odds do you like to bet on 4 or 10's passline or don't pass players compared to what you would put down on a 5, 6, 8, or 9?
Playing pass line (and come) I typically bet single to double odds on 4,5,9,10 and double to triple odds on 6 and 8, depending on how I am doing. Sure sometimes the point hist when I under-bet it, and sometimes the 6 and 8 are wiped out by a 7-out in record time. And sometimes the reverse is true.
I've noticed that I need to be comfortable making a bet, or comfortable with the risk of making a baet, before I can make it habitually. For example, the good play is to let odds on come bets work on the come out roll. I know this, I even know why this is, and I rarely do it. Why? because I keep fretting about the big, bad seven which will eat my bets and not even spare the odds. The risk just seems too high and I'm uncomfortable with it.
Craps Field Bet Odds
It used to be that way with come bets at all, too, but I've gotten over it. What helped me was precise data on the risk vs reward I could expect, and practicing with Wincraps or other free craps games.
On a $10 line wager, that's $36 on point of 6/8 and $60 on all other points.
I know that mathematically this is a worse bet than laying full odds on all points.
If I'm at a $5 table, I sometimes do the same thing - $18/30/30 but for some reason the lower the original wager the easier it is for me to lay max odds.
I know that this plan is not logical.
I rarely make any other bet - I tend to play strictly DP+odds.
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10. A 10 immediately rolls easy! I lost $100 on that bet! Since I had the hard 10 covered, only one combination could kill me and guess what it did! Earlier at the table 4 or 10 was the point like 5 times in a row and only once did the shooter not make it. You can preach to me about odds all you want, the risk of losing $50 is not worth the reward of winning $25. Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Two combinations could kill you. 4-6 and 6-4.
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10. A 10 immediately rolls easy! I lost $100 on that bet! Since I had the hard 10 covered, only one combination could kill me and guess what it did! Earlier at the table 4 or 10 was the point like 5 times in a row and only once did the shooter not make it. You can preach to me about odds all you want, the risk of losing $50 is not worth the reward of winning $25. Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
There is one thing that you forget.... Its an oldie but goodie..... Its called 'Sh*t Happens' LOL
One little suggestion I have for that might help in that situation is this... If you are playing the DP and a player hits 2 points and knocks you off. Leave him alone and wait for the next shooter. There are more than enough shooters that will throw a seven for you that to get murdered on the one 'good roll'.
Another one is 'thou shall not Hedge'.. If you are playing the DP and feel the need to cover your bet... Your mind is telling you to take it down.... Most players get very nervous when there don't pass bet lingers for 9-13 rolls. But what you should realize is that the odds are in your favor, stay with it.... But if you see a guy who is repeating numbers, and you get knocked off, just wait for the next shooter. Its simple...
Advanced Craps Strategy Laying Odds In Craps
You may have loss that one result, but as you play more, that loss will be an after thought....
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10.
The difference between wanting and needing gets me many times.Why do you $30 don't pass bet?
Is this your system of play always?
That can not be the table minimum. just my opinion.
At $10 don't pass bet and always lay 2x odds ($40,$30 and $24) one would still have an average bet of $30
and would easily lose less over time verses always betting $30. not just my opinion.
Sure the comps would be way less than betting $30 dpass every come out rollbut I have a feeling they could overcome an actual session loss.
Here is an example of this over the Zumma actual casino dice rolls
s1 = $10 don't pass bet and always lay 2x odds
s2 = $30 don't pass bet
They were offered unlimited casino credit so they had no problem making every bet they wanted to make.
s1 had a session loss of $195 and was way way down at one point
Looks like the comps at cash back ($435) gave s1 a session win.
sweet sugar sugar Sugar
s2 lost way more and was even way down at one point.
comps were way higher than s1 as it should be but not enough cash back to erase the session loss.That had to be paid (the large loss) and not much of a sugar sugar taste from that.
of course, no don't pass player would ever just make bets without ever laying the odds in my opinion. I know I am wrong thinking that way.
at least we would hope not
my opinion, I would rather like being in s1 shoes than s2 shoes
more fun pulling out a win from cash back with comps when more of your money is on the odds bets
this was fun
Sally
Craps Lay Bet Strategy
Craps can be a daunting game for most including ourselves if we are honest and is not a game we normally play but here is the craps lay bet strategy and explanation of what exactly a lay bet is in craps.
When placing lay bets on craps you have no complicated or confusing bet combinations or hedges that are needed. Placing more than one bet will obviously reduce your odds of making a profit.
So what is a craps lay bet?
A lay bet is the opposite of a back bet in craps just like in most games that you can place lay bets on. As always it is also an easy way to get favorable odds of the selection you choose not to win giving you a high strike rate.
A craps lay bet is a bet that a 7 won’t be rolled previous to the number that you have your money on.
So you can choose 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 and place a bet in the designated area on the table. An example can be seen above in the main picture.
There are 6 ways that the dice can be rolled to total 7!
When this is compared to the 5 ways that a 6 or an 8 can be rolled, the 4 ways in which a 5 or a 9 can be rolled and the 3 ways in which a 4 or a 10 can be rolled you can see why many craps players choose to place lay bets.
These figures are the basis of how much you are favored to win.
- 6 or 8 : odds are 6/5 in your favor; probabilities are 54.55 % you win, 45.45 % you won’t.
- 5 or 9 : odds are 6/4 in your favor; probabilities are 60 % you win, 40 % you’ll won’t.
- 4 or 10: odds are 6/3 in your favor; probabilities are 66.67 % you win, 33.33 % you’ll won’t.
The downside of lay bets on craps – The vigorish!
While lay betting on craps offer true odds this gives the casino no edge so therefor they collect a vigorish (vig).
To get around this the casino’s take the vigorish which is 5% of all winning bets.
So say you place a lay bet of £40 on 4, and the shooter rolls a 7 then you will win £19. So your £40 pays 1 to 2, which makes £20.
The “vig is deducted from that amount, so 5% of £20 is £1. Your win will be £19 and you will get £59 back, your winnings and the original £40 staked.